Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6. USA. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. Reply. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. On 13 July 1577, the teinds of Govan were granted to the University of Glasgow, and the Principal of the University ex officio was appointed minister of the parish. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. Wine Quality 4/4. Read More. Conecteaz-te. A Gannett Company. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. 11/2. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Gary Faulds. Create New Account. Thanks in advance :). Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. Police Scotland. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Driscoll, Stephen, "Govan, an early medieval royal centre", p. 79. Maureen Doyle was my name then. A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. Then there was the shake the blanket with my older sisters and friends my turn wasn't coming fast enough so as usual I was whining so they gave me my turn and shake the blanket shake the blanket 1-2-3 they lifted me in the air and let the blanket go results bleeding nose and they all got a right telling off. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. [14] in 1901 the Burgh boundaries increased further west to include Linthouse and West Drumoyne. My father, Alex Grant and brother Davie lived one up at 129 Elderpark Street. Comments have been closed on this article. 199310 Scottish Charity No. In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. A friend called Carol Slater. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. We lived in Linthouse at that time, and then we moved to Shaw Street in Govan. I have lived in Australia since 1969. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. HP10 9TY. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. She had two brothers James (b.1924), Michael (b.1928) Agnes (b.1930) and Kathleen (b.1932). Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. I had never seen one before. Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? I met him at our place of employment. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. : Gwovan[3]? In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. We always used to stop at your house on the way home from St. Anthony`s school, for a blether. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. [11], By the 16th century, extensive coal mine workings had been developed around Craigton and Drumoyne. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . Email: [email protected] , www.gblink.org.uk Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. The partnership works by: Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. The Old Govan Fair. Great memories. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. 8/1. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 In fact, the idea was publicly abused in the first of the two SEU documents above. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. Within 10 years, Glasgow Corporations repair and maintenance service to the area had declined noticeably because the Corporation was simply not interested. My cousins and I thought we should try this. My mam would love to know. Henry (Harry) Knop was born in Govan in 1902, he married Susan Bowie in 1924, they had at least 5 children; Harriet, Frederick, Arthur, Helen and Henry, Harry Knop died in 1976. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. Jocelyn Square. He said: "So I had a house and I had a supply, because I knew someone who could get me smack. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. Create New Account. I remember a chemist called Brays on Govan Rd. This is a small family owned and operated place. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. Impressed by what they had done, the European Community allowed an application for major funds, which matched by the City Council (and oth adherents), to such an extent that another 36 blocks in the estate were rehabililitated in the same fashion as the prototype.8, At this point, some may ask, if the residents of such a community could do so mutch themselves, why is authority necessary for community planning? At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. Nobody like them in the World. Knowing a house which was empty he pre-emptively sought approval from the council to use it as part of the operation. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. Burnside also appeared to take sadistic pleasure in watching them scrabbling about on the ground looking for their hit. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. Svisiace strnky. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry. I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. we were easy pleased in those days. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. [24], Despite these developments, there were numerous older buildings around Govan until quite recently, most notably the terraces and tenements situated around Govan Road. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! Skater Girl. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. and education and learning came into my thoughts. Pagini similare. In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. Without a home, mankind has no place. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. Directions to Wine Alley Govan (Glasgow) with public transport The following transport lines have routes that pass near Wine Alley Govan Bus : 121 23 26 X19 Train : SCOTRAIL Light rail : SUB How to get to Wine Alley Govan by Bus? 6 [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. Clyde News. A great place to live. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. Gallery. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. As a university sociologist, the tall man aboriginal spirit; metadata api request failed: component conversion failed: file_ended; caleb foote sandlot Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. It was a two bedroom, living room with a kitchenette and full bathroom. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. There is a story By Danny Cahley born In 57 Hamilton Street, Govan it was renamed Nethan Street if I remember correctly. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. Post moderation is undertaken full-time 9am-6pm on weekdays, and on a part-time basis outwith those hours. At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. policy initiatives given due regard. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. My husband and I ended up going into the USA. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Does anybody recognise the name? JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Govan (/ v n / GUV-n; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland.It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick.Historically it was First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. He said: "I found myself in charge of one of the hardest areas within Strathclyde, if not Scotland. It is now an industrial estate . Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 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[16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home.
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